well done to them both.

but didn't all 5 runner-up teams get 'second place' in that young lions comp?

Let's hope they are a hot team and bring some sense to Mitsubishi.

Chawolski...!!

Congrats Mickey

that's sexist

LOVE THAT CAR!

Didn't everyone who worked for steve back and matt eastwood get somewhere in that young lions comp?

Does anyone know what's happening at JWT? Is the CD chair still empty, or did I miss a press release?

four

Well done for leaving the Boys Club girls.

Third job in two years. Seem like a stable team.
Gen Y rules.

It's nice to see some well called for recognition outside the boys club. Rock on Allie and michaela.

mwah

j

Re the pic, DAVid Brent said:

"ohhh, KINKY!"

Love ya work Mickey. You too Allie. Great to see you going to an agency that doesn't hold it against you for being female. Speaking of which, how many girls have left DDB now? A modern day exodus over the last 12 months.

rock out ally b

can someone elaborate on the sexism that goes on in these agencies? i'm a female AD, in a global agency and have not come across it (YET). am looking to move and want to know what i should watch out for.

6:04

conservative clothing

6.04 ... watch out for dick heads.

Not all global agencies are sexist. And some just become sexist as your role becomes SENIOR. Others have the boys club gene as part of their DNA and it starts at the top.

9.26, you're onto it. 9.06, watch out for Ralph Lauren 'Polo', shirts. Stripe shirts with white collars and cuffs. (Gaggg!!! Bluuurck!!! Had to upchuck just then - it was the white cuffs.) Navy blazers - dead giveaway - even when they're worn with jeans. And stripe ties. Steer clear and you should be fine.

They lefet those behind at DDB 11.52.

6.04 – your boss asking you for a raise.

6:04 – are you sexy? (sorry, really bad joke).

Pete Buckley and Tim Brown are in at JWT - bloody good move by the agency as an interim solution I reckon

6.04 ask about the industry, any department with a 'token' female team - you know where it's at.

9:56 you're so right. I thought it was just me... The minute you actually want to be paid what you're worth, you're sidelined for a cheap team, while the guys just keep going up. Regardless of awards won...

2:06 / 9:56 - i'll have to cut my hair or grow a beard. Same thing happens to me. Welcome to midweightseniorsville.

At the risk of being howled down, advertising is a nasty and competitive business. Maybe you're not advancing as far as you like, not because you're female, but because you don't play the game the way your opponents do. And make no mistake: in a bigger agency, the other creatives ARE your opponents.

Do female creatives get deliberately sidelined because they're chicks, or because they don't get nasty?

Dunno. But I DO know that I've seen plenty of talented people kept in midweightseniorsville simply because they focused on being good at what they did, rather than being good at making themselves popular to the right people.

Sucks, but that's the way political agencies work. Don't just blame sexism in a knee-jerk reaction.

9:55 I agree completely. My partner even tried it with me - went around to the creative director behind my back having a whinge and tried to get rid of me. CD then fired him because I had my head down while he was just a whinging kiwi prick.

It can work both ways, as long as you work with honest people, and you're talented, and upfront, I think you'll do ok.

Well as we're on this subject, let's just tell the truth. Some people in this industry, and I caution, SOME not all, are so damn sexist they should be in the employment courts every week. One MAJOR agency has lost all of its senior women employees in the last 18 months and plenty of high profile ones too. It's incredible this hasn't been more public.

Something with all those women of course. Planning. Online. PR. Management. You can't help but suspect their greatest fault was expecting to be treated as equals. Silly them.

Push up bra and exposed cleavage. Only way to go. It's a f@cking abysmal record for an agency in 2008.

9:55 and 5.25. Count yourselves lucky. There are plenty out there who
have been marginalised and maliciously smeared by the Club for being
females in a male world.

They're usually the senior ones who aren't prepared to be lackeys to
The Boys' Club, The Screw the Crew Club and The Old Man's Club.
And they get nobbled for it.

It's anything but nice.

Due diligience is what's required ladies. Sort the wheat from the shafters
before you accept that attractive job and believe the slick promises.

Suits play golf. Creatives go to the pub.

There's also some people that say such appaling things to and about female employees that they shouldn't be allowed in an office by law. They tend to hold on to the 80s point of view that a woman is a pair of t's to look at and joke about.

One CD sacked a male coworker but said he could keep his job if he got him nude pictures of his girlfriend (an employee in the same office).

The best bit is, everyone knows about these people sooner or later, and simply stops working for them. It's called dignity – even the men leave these agencies eventually.

I know of another complete dinosaur who can be quoted as saying
"he would never hire another senior woman again." What year was that in?
Not 1976 which is where he belongs,but within the last year.

Men in that agency are paid 30-50% more than their female equivalents.
And the same silly old fat prick had the cheek to complain an attractive
senior female employee looked old. Never mind that he's more than 20
years older himself with a girth so wide he probably hasn't seen a particular
body part in years.

What's all this about a boys club? Get it right. Advertising is run by girls who have just reached puberty.

3:45 you're completely right, but basic human rights abuse aka federal employment law and sexism in advertising is a serious topic that should be addressed by the AFA.

1.04, from what I've seen, the men don't leave those agencies. The women do. And worse still, like attracts like. The boys club agencies ATTRACT the boys club boysin droves. Oh the bitter irony of the pr that the worst offenders put out about their token female hires.

It goes beyond the AFA and well into the public area. Shit, this is 2008 and we still have neanderthal cavie's running around.

12.46 please re read what I said. Eventually the men leave these places.

Private school / old boys club boys (for the most part, with a few notable exceptions) are a bunch of girls.

I did read what you said 8.20. But all I've seen is the sexist boys club
sticking together, hanging onto their jobs and screwing up careers
of some of the most talented hardworking females we've seen.

Most women have to work twice as hard and long to get to earn their
senior position in this industry, while the boys club take themselves
off to long lunches and boozing.

By the way, the AFA won't do anything. They're right in the pocket of some
of the biggest boys club agencies in town.

Is this the right forum to suggest that it's easier for a young attractive female creative to score her first gig than her male counterpart?

Nah, probably not.

But it's true.

Not too sure about that 2.59. As for a young attractive female creative scoring her first gig over an ugly one? Sure.

2:59. I'm a chick, and it's true, but what does that say about the CDs? Yep, they're not going to employ older or less attractive women, are they? And strangely, a fair few CDs have been known to only employ hot young boys... What does that say?

What does that say?

It's a 'screw the crew' agency, that's what it says - girls or boys.

And it's screw their career if they happen to have a whole lot more integrity than fall in line with it and say nothing.

Anyway, it's not only CD's. Have a look at the CEO's.

Boy's Club CD's are only as Boys Club as the company they keep. One of the biggest drivers of the boys club mentality in one of the big agencies is their CEO. Some of the best women in the industry bullied until they left or squeezed out. Not very nice at all.

If they got a gig at one big agency, they must be talented. Only pretty-boys get gigs there. Apart from the 'equal employment opportunity' token team that only gets to work on shitty retail stuff (maybe that was them, I don't know).

One thing I must say about the male/female divide are why is there such a disproportionate amount of female suits?

And why are they all fucking ball tearers? I'm shocked and appalled at the bullying the female suits do. It's atrocious these stuck up bitches can just pull tears, scream, yell, carry on in the most unprofessional fucking way possible all because they're emotional 2 year old fuckwits who were hired because the managing director screwed their older sister during a Scots College / Kambala drama production in 1992.

I can count on two hands the amount of good female suits I've worked with in 10 years. Hire some men, maybe you'll get more work sold instead of wasting countless hours on internal power struggles from blonde bimbo control freaks. Or hire someone with a degree that wants to do well.

The suits get hired by the CEO/MD.

Same deal as some of the CD's.

Hired for their push up bra and clevage and whatever else.

Incidentally 1.40pm, people who bully others are frequently being bullied by someone else or mimicking behaviour of a bully nearby.

So look a little further upwards and you'll see who's bullying them.
Or screwing them around.

Probably some dickhead in a Ralph Lauren polo
or a striped shirt with white cuff and collar.

You lot sound like you're about the right demographic and age group to comment on the new Bonds Tee commercial.

Do you think it's any good?

I think it's pretentious twaddle.

Here we go then 6.29. How about dropping the obligatory tits and arse approach and use a bloke with a big woody filling up his daks instead?